Jolie : KS.int a big lie
[attach]14320[/attach][b]JoliE has spoken of the horror of being managed by Eryc, the enigmatic mastermind of Aeon.Singapore and Aeon.International.[/b]
Since the recent disbandment of Aeon.International, Russian Fede- Vasiliy "JoliE" Pepelyaev has now found a new team in clan Europe AzN. However, the memories he has had during his tenure with Europe Aeon.International are still lingering, but not for the reason most people expect. Here we have JoliE speaking out on the lies and deception that current Aeon manager Malaysia Wei Zhen "Eryc" Wong has spouted to him and his teammates during their time in Aeon.International.
The transcript below has been tidied while maintaining its original meaning.
[b] Statement Russian Fede- Vasiliy "Jolie" Pepelyaev:
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[quote] So guys, yesterday I read the news that fnatic are about to become Aeon.int. I was surprised by this as my past manager, Eryc did not mention anything about it. Sadly, this situation hurts me too much and I want to tell you all about the story of my working under Eryc's management for the past 1 year and 3 months in team Ks.Int, later renamed Aeon.Int.
It started on July 2008 when i found Eryc in mIRC to chat and possibly starting a team. First he says that salaries will be fixed in a month. We never discussed about the salary estimate and I thought it was unnecessary. Eryc keeps delaying the salary figures by saying there will be a salary in 2-3 months time. He has done this 3 times; during the beginning of July, August and September. After the worldwide financial crisis, we trusted him and did not bring up the salary issue as we saw how bad the sponsorship situation was around the world taking MYM as an example. Eryc was again telling lies to us concerning salary 3 months ago, July 2009 when I was with the team at Gamescom. As usual, he said "later, not now guys."
Ks.int never had any salary. That was my 2nd priority. The first was travel arrangement to LAN events and is of course the most important criteria for DotA team sponsorship now.
Now looking back on our trips, I now see what a fool I was. The first trip we had was during November 2008. We wanted to go to China and Eryc agreed 2.5 weeks before the event. After some discussions with Eryc, he says that he cannot send the money for plane tickets that fast and will return us the money in China. Of course this was not true. According to him, sponsors have not given him money and they will send it to us later. I have paid 2000 dollars for tickets for horon and myself, as well as visas costing 100 dollars each. In all, we were owed 2200 dollars.
Eryc and I have talked about this about 20 times, possibly more. I cannot remember. He told me that he will send the money in December 2008, then January, February, March. He finally sends me 700 dollars in May, and we agreed that the next 2 installments of 700 dollars would be done soon. I have not received any money from him since.
When Puppey invited me to return to Ks.int and play with them in Gamescom, I was wondering about my 1400 dollars. We talked with Eryc and I believed him again, him saying that after sending us to Koln (Gamescom venue) he will return our money as soon as possible. Ok... what about the money required to go to Koln in the first place, Eryc?
He asks me if it is alright if he sends me 400 dollars first. I said that it would be fine, but there is a big chance I will need more money. Everybody knows that Gamescom was advertised late and teams have no time to prepare. This presented two problems for me as obtaining a german visa is very hard, I decided to go through Estonia as I've already been there twice and it is very easy to obtain an Estonian visa for me. The other problem was the cheapest way was to get on a train from Saint-Petersburg and then to Tallinn, and then I have to take 2 flights with Puppey to reach Dusseldorf. So I spent 700 dollars in total for tickets and visa.
During gamescom, Eryc only ever asked us one question. "Do you like VSA or VGA (or something else) as our new clan tag?" WTF? I tried asking him to send us our money because we're short of it but he only cares about the clantag. It was so weird.
After Gamescom I had even more problems as I needed to return the money to my mother and friends. One and a half months after Gamescom, I asked Eryc a few times about my money (now 1700 as it is 1400 plus an extra 300 to cover Gamescom) but he gave his usual reply. "Later, later," he said. We made an agreement theat he will send the money no later than April 2010. It was an extra half a year than intended... but what can you do?
Some days ago, Ks.int or Aeon.int now disbanded *RIP*. We talked again with Eryc. he says that we can try to make a new team with me as leader. I I thought of joining AzN and changing tags to Aeon.int and take up Eryc's sponsorship. He also thinks that TR is an option. So we decided to wait for a litlle bit especially I wanting to involve myself a bit more with team AzN. After 2 days, I saw the hot news of fnatic joining Aeon.int.
[color=Blue]P.S. Sadly or happily I closed today's chat between Eryc and I like this
Me: Eryc, so you're gonna sponsor another team. Now I cannot wait, I need my money now.
Eryc: But we already talked about it and I will send it in half a year.
Me: Really? You think it's ok to leave me without saying anything and giving sponsorship to fnatic and not even thinking of the money you need to return me?
Eryc: Yes it's ok, sponsors money to send fnatic to SMM has nothing to do with your money.
Me: Do you think that is my problem?
Eryc: It's not my problem also...
I forgot to mention that I have asked Eryc 10 times if i could have a word with the sponsors who are not reimbursing the money for the China trip. He has always said no. Eryc wanted to talk with them only by himself, so he has no right to say that it is not his problem. It really is his problem because he has a contract with us.
Me: So Eryc, are you going to send me my money right now or not?
Eryc: No
Me: Ok I will make an article on what the manager of Ks.int has been doing to his players for 1 year.
Eryc: *After long pause* Ok you have a choice. I send you 1200 dollars because I don't need to pay you for China visas (His excuse was he has not paid for puppey's visa before, is that OK?) and I don't have to pay for Gamescom because it is not my problem. I already sent you 400 for that and I don't need to send more (he only started talking about it today...)
Me: 1600 (ok i let him off 100 dollars, I can't believe he had to think about it...) or it's gonna go public.
Eryc: Ok bb
Me: bb
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P.P.S. As far as I know, GunzComeOut still has not received his money for the China tickets (I may be wrong. Ask Gunz about it)
P.P.P.S This takes us a step behind for DotA, not a big one but I am really sorry that I have to whistleblow on this manager.
An important lesson for me is not to be nice to people who are bad to you. Just let them be. I tried to keep quiet but because this situation made me look like a fool for more than a year and I still cannot believe Eryc is a guy who can go back on all his words and make new one[/quote]
[b]Source : Mymym.com[/b] Thanks for the news.
FYI: All comments previously I made in this topic is just my personal view, thanks bummer... he's like a conman according to dat article Do not take such a Big hat when you do not have such a[size=1][b] big Head[/b][/size]
No Money then don't Sponsor. That's all
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hi 大家好 我是papaaxiongg 我想说拜托你们= =这世界复杂的很为什么eryc不出来解释澄清,要是解释有用那之前在eryc旗下的队员就不会出来爆内幕了啦,有很多事情大家没有亲眼所见,真的不该先那么快下定论,当初我对eryc的印象也不是很好,他所作的 所给的有时候真的会让我们怀疑,可是从来没食言过,拖欠工资的事不是第一次发生,可是最后eryc都有交待清楚,最后也有把工资给完,只是有时eryc的交待不太明确,何况工资这种事,只要老板不给,不管他说什么理由 他家人有病 要死了 要动手术 需要钱周转,你也不会相信或者放心吧为什么?因为一个字"钱"这个字很敏感 虽然我不知道事情的来龙去脉 不过从jolie的文章来看 大概是还会再拖 只是需要很长的时间我相信eryc的 因为我自己也体验过,但最后他还是做到了 没有食言我不知道其他战队是怎样做的 可是据我所知 他有要和我们签约 但我本人立场来看 因为年轻嘛 不想被这类的东西绑着 所以私下和他谈 不会对不起他但不要有签约这回事 他明白我们意思 所以也不合我们订下规矩,喜欢的就待在他旗下不喜欢的就走,可是你们知道吗,比赛奖金他一分钱都不拿,出国比赛他还要找赞助,eryc自己也会被拖工资的,你们以为他是谁?某公司的大老板?他只是一个经理,寻求赞助商的经理!!旗下的队员拿不到工资就跟他翻脸,他出来澄清?怎么澄清?说赞助商拖欠他工资 他也跟赞助商翻脸?要是他跟赞助商翻脸旗下的战队谁来养,他也被拖欠工资,他怪谁?虽然他不是我所向往的经理 因为我想要的是 没有上司之分 以一个朋友的身份 兴趣来疼旗下战队的,eryc跟我们是上司和下属的关系啦XD(我这样说他会生气吧)可是没办法啦和你年龄差太远啦~最后想说..eryc做了这些事..造就了什么?他造就了大家.他害了某些觉得被他欺骗的人,大家不要他再害人,可是只要职业战队全部都知道,游戏生涯的钱,就算你是职业也不能养自己一辈子,难道当以后你成家立业,你娶老婆,对方父母问你的职业,你告诉她你是职业游戏玩家世界第一,你可以想象人家的父母怎么想LOL?夸奖你还是私下反对你,而且我相信只要eryc能成功,他一定有办法可以让世界各地的战队聚集一起,而不是像现在口水战,什么欧洲vs亚洲++++就算smm分的出胜负,最后大家一定还是会有各自的理由,可能欧洲的说,水土不服?生病?无法最佳状态?还是亚洲的说运气?还是什么bo1的比赛不能看出胜负,还是就算有胜者组败者组,最后大家也是有自己的借口,所以我相信eryc,他要做的只是梦想实现,让dota更长远,让世界各地的战队一起较量,大家讨厌他,可是谁敢像他这么做,将心比心..如果我不认识他..我也会看不起他..虽然我认识他..也没有很欣赏啦..(小小声)可是,当大家对他感到厌恶或者反感的时候,有没有想过,他是为了自己 还是为了整个dota界? [/quote] can translate what papaxiong said ? im banana in chinese He trying to stand for Eryc and claimed that Eryc also not getting his salary and allowance from the sponsor, thats why he owe to the player. Btw, eryc dont even explain to jolie about his situation ya ? He seems to ignore the exact pay for jolie. dota scene dramatic week its something talking bad about eryc.. xD GG!Yamateh vs Papaxiong
[quote] 第 121 回合 趴趴 发表于 2009-10-7 8:16:38
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回yamateh 我并没有说jolie不对,也没有说eryc不对,只是以分析的结果来看,就是我少加了个个人意见,这是论坛,理应来说大家都有权利来说话对不对..eryc搞小动作的事是对你还是对jolie?他对jolie的事是拖欠工资一年半载,他有欠过我们,可是最后依然还清了对不对, 你有你喜欢的对象,你有你讨厌的对象,但你没必要强把你的想法加在我的身上?我喜欢某某偶像的歌我就硬要你听,然后要你亲口告诉我好听? 至于我你更不想多说,大家知道我是怎样的人就好了,我只能说,大家立场不同,想法不一样,你可以把我当坏人,我也可以说我自己不是好人,但我没有要得到你的认同对吗 [/quote]
[quote] 第 136 回合 ks-yamateh 发表于 2009-10-7 8:27:01
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好咯，闹到这样是不是？请问昨天你来我门KINGSURF不是才说ERYC的坏话吗？怎么这点你不爆料呢？还有你不是在我们这里说HYHY他们很差什么的吗？怎么又跑回去他们那里说我们差？还有你不是说因为处理感情事情然后要离开队伍吗？怎麽跟人说因为我们差你才离开队伍呢？[/quote]
[quote] 第 161 回合 趴趴 发表于 2009-10-7 8:38:57
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yamateh如果你真的要我作出解释,我真的可以当面坐下来跟你谈 我有我的理由 但你看了一定是认为我在找借口? 一句话 不是 [/quote]
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第 164 回合 ks-yamateh 发表于 2009-10-7 8:40:53
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好,加我的MSN！[email=yamateh129@hotmail.com]yamateh129@hotmail.com[/email] ！我们现在来聊 [/quote] omg==...yamateh's msn== it is not fair to jump to conclusion by just listening to one side of words.
i bet eryc has its own explanation to everything. what is ymt talking ?
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