[Hardwares] Laptop Price Estimate

brynx

Can somebody please estimate this 2 laptop price with the specs below. Thanks
First One
MSI MS-1651 Notebook 15.4" WXGA 1280x800 Pixels
6-cells Li-Ion Battery Pack
2.0 Megapixels Webcam, Built-in Bluetooth, Support Intel Penryn Socket P Mobile Processors, & Supports PCI-Express mini card
INTEL C2D T6400 2.0GHZ
HD 250GB 5400RPM SATA
4 GB SODIMM PC6400 DDR2 800
Nvidia GeForce 9600M GT 512MB DDR3
INTEL WIRELESS 5300 AGN
WINDOW VISTA HOME PREMIUM 32BIT SP1

Second One
Intel(R) Core(TM) 2 Duo Mobile P8700 Dual-Core Processor @ 2.53GHz 1066FSB 3MB L2 Cache
320GB 5400RPM SATA300 Hard Drive
4GB PC3-8500 DDR3-1066 SODIMM Memory
NVIDIA GeForce GT130M DDR3 512MB
17" (16:10) Wide Screen WXGA+ 1440x900 Pixels
Built-in 1.3 Mega Pixel Webcam
8-cells Li-Ion Battery Pack 4400mAh
802.11 b/g/n Wireless

NooB[DocTor]

Other specs such as screen size & resolution, battery, antivrus etc?

Well, I will not buy it... Totally outdated specs

1st. WIndow Vista (I rather buy MS-Dos & install Windows 7 myself)
2nd. T6400
3rd. DDR2 800mHz
4th. 250GB 5400rpm HD (Walao, I rather have 160GB 7200rpm)

However, it probably will cost around 2300-2700... Relative value = 2000...

Maybe you want to consider latest valueable promotion of Dell for mid end...

http://www1.ap.dell.com/my/en/ho ... s=dhs&cs=mydhs1 = 2599
+160-170 (self upgrade 2Gb DDR3 1066mHz) = 2800

Acceptable performance + fair price...

brynx

Other specs such as screen size & resolution, battery, antivrus etc?

Well, I will not buy it... Totally outdated specs

1st. WIndow Vista (I rather buy MS-Dos & install Windows 7 myself)
2nd. T6400
3 ...
NooB[DocTor] Post at 21-1-2010 09:26

I thought the specs is ok , windows vista can don't want de...what i admire is the Graphic card most precious of all...The Inspiron that you recommend the graphic card sucks.The two laptops are not new and not so old.

NooB[DocTor]

3# brynx

Now with all the new updated details... If 2nd hand then I don't know how to judge the price... LoL! By the way, obviously 2nd one is better... If graphic card is the only concern, then desktop pls... No way you can compare laptop GC vs desktop one... By the way, must remind you that using 32Bit OS will waste your 4GB ram to 3.5GB (max).

If ask me, I will only buy
1st one if much lower price than 1.5k &
2nd one much lower price with 2k...
After all, 2nd hand laptops don't sold well in our country...  


Anyway, if based on specs here,

http://www1.ap.dell.com/my/en/ho ... s=dhs&cs=mydhs1

RM4100 can get really high end laptop with much better specs than this 2 at reasonable price...

If you want to check GCs ranking & scores, http://www.notebookcheck.net... But 3d mark 05 is abit outdated & less accurate... I cant found any website using the vintage 07 scores...

4330 - 4897 score
9600M GT - 9592 score
130M GT -10417 score
4670 - 12614 score

Overclocking GPU generally can increase performance of GC by 30-60% but precautions such as adequate cooling is crucial... If where to buy that 2nd laptop with 2k, I rather buy the new Inspiron with 2.8k & overclock it to reduce the GC gap... (For me, new laptop is much more worthy than an old one)

brynx

3# brynx

Now with all the new updated details... If 2nd hand then I don't know how to judge the price... LoL! By the way, obviously 2nd one is better... If graphic card is the only concern, then de ...
NooB[DocTor] Post at 21-1-2010 15:25

Those 2 laptop are like 6-7 months old, so little bit outdated, well every knows how fast technology goes these days.Some software can't function in 64 bit, majority of Software runs on 32 so i run with majority..  Anyway I found a better specs for less price. I mainly use my laptop for Gaming for games like Crysis,Assassins Creed , GTA IV etc and I travel around a lot so no desktop for me.

6-cells Li-Ion Battery Pack
Windows® 7 Home Premium 32bit
Intel Core 2 Duo Mobile P9700 Dual-Core Processor @ 2.80GHz 1066FSB 6MB L2 Cache
320GB 7200RPM SATA300 Hard Drive
4GB DDR3-1333 SODIMM Memory
NVIDIA Geforce GTS160M 1GB VRAM
MSI MS-1651-ID2 Notebook 15.4' WXGA TFT LCD Display 1280x800 Pixels , 2.0 Megapixels Webcam, Built-in Bluetooth, HDMI Port, Support Intel Penryn Socket P Mobile Processors, & Supports PCI-Express mini card
Intel WiFi Link 5300 a/b/g/n Wireless Adapter

RM 4500

NooB[DocTor]

5# brynx

Wrong! Theoritically all 32-Bit software can run on 64Bit OS... Because 64Bit OS can read 32-Bit code... 64Bit is also much faster and more eefective but consume slightly more HD space (with 320GB, nothing to afraid of)... The only problem is installing 32Bit software on 64Bit OS is requirement of extra codes to put in in program x86. However, currently almost all software now can install on 64Bit OS although most of them still running 32-Bit codes. Don't afraid of using 64Bit OS...

By the way, 1066FSB with DDR3 1333? This must be kidding... ==" How 1066FSB can benefits much from DDR3 1333? Rm400 for slight increase in GC performance, slightly more weaker other specs... I think you are rich enough to go for very high end gaming laptop d... You don't even need to ask about price... =="

brynx

5# brynx

Wrong! Theoritically all 32-Bit software can run on 64Bit OS... Because 64Bit OS can read 32-Bit code... 64Bit is also much faster and more eefective but consume slightly more HD space (wi ...
NooB[DocTor] Post at 21-1-2010 20:15

Sure they can run, slower ma =.=...I kinda mean like Drivers, Games etc Thats what holding me back from 64bit...I'm just looking for laptop that is very cheap and quite high end >.<. To most people no such thing...Most of the time I kinda ignore the Processor, Ram and HD if they are not too bad so I only care about the GC since I'm a hard core gamer.

bluedrake

5# brynx

Wrong! Theoritically all 32-Bit software can run on 64Bit OS... Because 64Bit OS can read 32-Bit code... 64Bit is also much faster and more eefective but consume slightly more HD space (wi ...
NooB[DocTor] Post at 21-1-2010 20:15

Base on my experience, 64bit is still very troublesome when it comes to handling 32 bit softwares. Take my friend's alienware for example, there are a lot of imcompability issue when running 32 bit games. Need for Speed Shift crash almost instantly when running on 64 bit platform. Also, running photoshop in it will randomly cause BSOD (blue screen of death) These kind of things are unavoidable sometime and they begged me to help them change back to 32 bit

brynx

Base on my experience, 64bit is still very troublesome when it comes to handling 32 bit softwares. Take my friend's alienware for example, there are a lot of imcompability issue when running 32 bit  ...
bluedrake Post at 22-1-2010 09:03

Exactly what I mean. I've considered to switch to 64 bit a lot of times, but not all games can run on it and especially drivers. So no choice but to eat 3.2GB for the time being.

grif

Another thing I think you should clarify is that are you going for branded ones, or OEM? Though I already suspect you're just either going to build it yourself or get someone to do it.

brynx

Another thing I think you should clarify is that are you going for branded ones, or OEM? Though I already suspect you're just either going to build it yourself or get someone to do it.
grif Post at 22-1-2010 12:32

Good question. Always build computers by yourself if you know how and if you can. I don't really trust others in doing it. When you build it yourself you know it's good and everything's there.

NooB[DocTor]

7# brynx

64Bit software execute 32Bit codes as good as 32Bit OS... No slower! Please check first before comment? Bluedrake problems is with his driver obviously due to installing 64bit OS on older comp... I can assure you any latest comp with 64Bit usually dont have such problem... My 64Bit OS run NFS shift & Adobe Photoshop 8 element perfectly although my laptop also 2 years + old d... 64Bit execute 32Bit software without problems! That's the fact... Mainly only installation require special modification to insert files into program x86... All game 32Bit game that can be install into 64Bit OS will can play as good as 32Bit OS. Anyway, it is your choice to remain ignorant and continue with the 3.2GB...

NooB[DocTor]

Built yourself is the best is what you mean by insert 1333mHz ram into 1066FSB? LoL! This is funny... Much lousier specs +no/lousier warranty + more expensive price also what you mean by know the best? Spend another Rm 100+ from 3Gb to 3.2GB (with 32Bit OS) also what you mean know the best? Simple facts about 64Bit OS vs 32Bit OS you also dont know but you claim you know to build the best? Ignoring other facts that can affect GC performances is what you call know the best? Haa! You are making people laughing at you... I rather admit know nothing and wish to learn...

brynx

7# brynx

64Bit software execute 32Bit codes as good as 32Bit OS... No slower! Please check first before comment? Bluedrake problems is with his driver obviously due to installing 64bit OS on older  ...
NooB[DocTor] Post at 22-1-2010 13:35

From your statement, I conclude you are not a hard core gamer. The list of 64 bit games is no more than 20 plus the games i play is not even in the list. and The 32 bit software definitely will run slower in a 64 bit enviroment since 64 bit software are written to take advantage of a 64 bit operating system and the only reason 32 bit software can still function is because of a microsoft emulation layer known as WoW64 which enables 32 bit software to run as though on a 32 bit version of Windows by translating instructions passing in and out of 32 bit applications into 64 bit instructions and because of the emulation there is a slight degradation in performance. =.=

brynx

Built yourself is the best is what you mean by insert 1333mHz ram into 1066FSB? LoL! This is funny... Much lousier specs +no/lousier warranty + more expensive price also what you mean by know the best ...
NooB[DocTor] Post at 22-1-2010 13:52

In terms gaming the processor ain't making that much of a difference compare to GC, plus I'm only suffer a small performance loss only nothing major depending on applications which I don't care. In fact I din't spend Rm 100 to upgrade it to 3.2 GB, I only spend like Rm 30++ and I'm glad it's 4GB too although 3.2 on 32 bit windows, if I decide to switch to 64 bit in near future, no sweat . I din't claim I know how to build the best, I just said I found a better specs and lower price for my requirements. You should check your 32 bit vs 64 bit facts before you BS all around here. My fact are from people who encounters problem with 64 bit and one of them BlueDrake apparently agrees with me. . I din't see anyone laughing at my build   at least not yet

NooB[DocTor]

From your answer I know you have very limited knowledge in computer... I suppose that huge increase in 3.2GB to 4 GB ram will more than enough to compensate the slightly more steps in converting codes! Your GC cards can consume your rams to increase performance too... If this simple facts you also don't know, you claim you know games thing more than me? Funny! Rm400 for a mere 5% increase in GC performance but much lousier specs you call it cheaper? LoL! Just overclock + rm200 for cooling with easily surpass the performance of GT130M by 25%!

brynx

From your answer I know you have very limited knowledge in computer... I suppose that huge increase in 3.2GB to 4 GB ram will more than enough to compensate the slightly more steps in converting codes ...
NooB[DocTor] Post at 22-1-2010 14:26

Indeed I have limited knowledge in computer, nice guess   , and I never claim I know game "thing" more than you but I think you misunderstood which GC I'm talking about, the one I'm talking about is GTS 160m. You keep saying Overclock, overclock =.= the other GC cannot overclock kah   .GC consuming RAM to increase performance well you can try using 9600m gt with 8 GB of ram and another using gts 160m with 3.2GB of ram see which performs better when playing High End Game. The upgrade of the GC from 130m to 160m the performance is almost double in playing Crysis =.=, and Crysis is one of the Highest Graphic Demanding game on earth. And from the website you post "notebookcheck" the GTS 160m Class 1 GC is lot more higher rank than gt 130m Class 2 GC.